every time we have done this whether it was ronald reagan working with tip o'neill. the ideas from the bowles simpson commission on how to do this. a traditional democratic republican consensus lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works and you can. >> chris: you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say this this way. you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions is or home purchases and healthcare. so what we are saying is people are going to get lower tax rates and therefore they will not send as much money to washington and they will keep it and decide for themselves. when we have done this we created economic growth. >> chris: suppose that the doubters are right and president romney takes office and the math doesn't add up. >> i have run them in congress and they do. >> chris: let's assume it doesn't. the question is what is most important to romney? kale bacscale back in